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January 14, 2005

Hey! I'm part of a "defamation pipeline"! Who knew?

O'Reilly obligingly spent part of his show tonight perfectly demonstrating the point I made in my last post about media narcissism vs the blogosphere. The invaluable Johnny Dollar has posted a transcript of tonight's O'Reilly interview with Hugh Hewitt.

I get the impression that O'Reilly doesn't read blogs, doesn't really understand how the blogosphere works, and has a hard time comprehending and putting into words precisely what it is about the blogosphere that threatens him so. Jeez, it reminds me of my tone-deaf ol' dad ranting about rock music. He's entitled to his opinion, but every time he tries to defend it logically, he's just cringe-inducingly clueless — too clueless to even know how obvious his cluelessness is.

The odd thing is that I can't recall any harm the blogosphere has done to this guy. The Smoking Gun published the various legal filings relating to his little sex scandal, but that's not a blog, and those were publicly available papers. Has any blog defamed him? Dug up scandal? I know there are some sites devoted wholly or in part to a slavering hatred of him, but has anyone actually published any scurrilous lies? Or even scurrilous truths?

I noted that he repeatedly used the term "print" instead of "post":

[Bloggers will] fabricate stuff, they'll make stuff up, they print it.

I think it's telling that he'd use an old-media term, applicable to newspapers, and apply it incorrectly to blogs. Apparently, the concept of a vast, distributed, self-regulating network of information and opinion is not easy for an old-media person to grasp. The "networks" O'Reilly has known all his life are top-down, hierarchical affairs where information is distributed in a one-way pipeline from the top down through the talking head and on to the viewers. There is no comment thread; there are no trackbacks. Accountability, like the flow of information, comes only from above, based on hierarchy and not meritocracy. I think that's why O'Reilly seems to feel there's no accountability on the internet; bloggers don't answer to a a boss or a corporation like he does. But bloggers are subject to corrections and un-silenceable voices equally as loud as theirs from all sides. Old media is actually far less accountable in some ways, because instead of the self-correction of cross-blog commentary, there's an endless echo chamber of back-patting (like O'Reilly's sad defense of Dan Rather).

It never really occurred to me before, but to someone whose concept of news and commentary encompasses only top-down media like TV, newspapers, and radio, the self-regulating, self-healing chaos of the internet must be very difficult to conceptualize. And I suspect that this is true for a lot of the older old-media people.

Update: Wizbang thinks O'Reilly wants Dan Rather's chair. That would explain why he's twisted himself into a pretzel trying to defend Rather, while suggesting that, even if it turns out the bloggers were right after all, they're somehow illegitimate, because there's "no control." But why would anyone want to take the helm of a ship someone else has already scuttled? Never mind — if it results in "The [Hugh] Hewitt Factor," as Wizbang suggests, I'm all for it!

Posted by EtherPundit at January 14, 2005 11:05 PM   Category: Media

Comments

What I find funny (and a little scary) is O'Reilly's obsession with the Internet and blogs being unregulated and not "controlled." Why does he feel that free speech should be "controlled" and by whom?

He actually seems jealous that you can do things on the Internet that he isn't allowed to do on cable, never mind on broadcast. But I think he is imagining this to a large degree. Sure, you can use vulgarity. You can post pictures of naughty bits. You can even defy the restraints of time and space that are insurmountable in other media. In the digital universe, there are no limits to your bloviating or images or even movies, depending on your bandwidth budget.

But Bill claims that a blogger would somehow be immune to libel and slander lawsuits, and thus can poison the public information trough. This is somewhat ignorant. Anonymity is no protection from the law. If the RIAA can track down Napster file-swappers, then libeled litigants can drag you into court as well. And as CBS and the NY Times prove again and again, it's the mainstream media that are the most prolific in the "lying liar lies" department.

Posted by: Mick McMick at January 15, 2005 01:50 AM

I agree. I think a lot of "old-media" people feel they're being overtaken somehow, by something that has far less restrictions and far more possibilities. And yes, it is VERY scary that some people would like to see it "controlled" - very reminiscent of totalitarianism.

Posted by: Daan at January 15, 2005 01:18 PM

Well stated.

Posted by: Jeff G at January 15, 2005 02:04 PM

Next time O'Reilly trots out the "there's no control" line, I hope whoever he's talking to asks him the $64,000 questions: How is controlling blog content consistent with the First Amendment? Who exactly is supposed to be the arbiter of what is or is not acceptable? For that matter, who controls the content of newspapers? Aren't they dangerous too because they're not "controlled"?

Posted by: EtherPundit at January 16, 2005 09:33 AM

He is fighting for the seeBS job. He has to act more stupid than he is in order to compete with Katie. Intellect could disqualify him.

It is such a pleasure to watch the Al Gore-John Kerry crowd degrade themselves. Plus, I get to share it with all my friends on the blogs.

Better than a bar!!

Posted by: JoeS at January 17, 2005 12:07 PM

OReilly's hatred of bloggers and the Internet stems from his hatred of Drudge, who he blames for leaking the story of how OReilly tried to muscle in on Rush Limbaugh's radio show when everyone thought Limbaugh was about to go deaf from inner ear disease.
OReilly and Drudge have had an ongoing spat ever since.

Posted by: MojoWire at January 17, 2005 01:04 PM

Media Matters constantly monitors what he says, so he has it in for them and many others who expose him for the hypocrite that he is.

Posted by: James at January 17, 2005 01:44 PM

MojoWire: That's interesting. I had sort of gleaned that there was a Drudge/O'Reilly feud, but honestly, is there anyone those two haven't feuded with? I figured it was only natural they'd feud with each other. I didn't realize that there was a specific incident to blame.

However, Drudge is not a blog.

And neither is Media Matters, not in any commonly used sense of the word.

FOX needs to get some patient, even-tempered, web-savvy summer intern to spend a few hours showing O'Reilly what a mouse is, how to surf the web, and just what the differences are between network news sites, privately run sites like Drudge's, organization sites like Media Matters, and true blogs like, oh, say, this one. Or Insty. Or Power Line.

Posted by: EtherPundit at January 17, 2005 02:06 PM

James: I didn't see it, but I read somewhere that O'Reilly touted his Media Matters "Misinformer of the Year" award on his show. I'm not sure MM realizes that these kinds of attacks give him a glowing halo of integrity in the eyes of his audience. "See? The left hates me! That means I'm doing my job!"

Posted by: EtherPundit at January 17, 2005 02:08 PM

Just goes to show.....

People ALWAYS fear that which they do not understand.

I have been trying yo get my friends & family 'into' the blogoshere for the last year now and they just look at me like I'm a freak.

Yet, they willingly plop themselves in front of the 'idiot box' nightly and get filled (to the brim) with MSM garbage....... hate to tell ya' but FOX has a rather large string of MSM woven into it's fabric as well.

Posted by: Scott at January 17, 2005 05:20 PM

Has anyone compared O'Reilly's comments about blogs or the internet before his scandal versus after it?

He lost all credibility IMO because of it. Maybe that's when he got more negative?

In a way, defending Rather is a way of defending himself. "See they're all liars..."

Posted by: HomericPundit at January 17, 2005 08:37 PM

HomericPundit: I googled the Drudge/O'Reilly incident MojoWire mentioned above and came up with this summary. I suspect MojoWire is right, and this was probably the genesis of the "blog" paranoia.

What O'Reilly may not realize is that no one trusts Drudge anyway. I read the site myself, but come on. It's a trashy tabloid rendered in pixels. It's fun and gossipy, but it's been wrong so often I'd never believe anything written there without corroboration. But O'Reilly is not part of Net culture, so he probably doesn't realize that Drudge's reputation precedes him and dilutes anything he reports. All he knows (I suspect) is that some guy "on the internet" defamed him and he couldn't do anything about it. Ergo, all random bloggers are potential bombthrowers. As I said, if this is the case, it betrays a conceptual confusion about the internet. I mean, the Wall Street Journal, the Weekly World News, and a Xeroxed fanzine are all "print media." But they are not equally important or taken equally seriously.

Meantime, as far as the scandal goes: AFAIK, no blogger unearthed any facts, or even any rumors, that were not in the public papers. He got off fairly easily blogwise, I think, because everyone was distracted by the debates at the time. In fact, in the center/right of the blogosphere, some bloggers even seemed to have a certain amount of sympathy, based on people's natural suspicions about the political and legal uses and abuses of sexual harassment claims.

Posted by: EtherPundit at January 17, 2005 09:08 PM

In the talk radio world, O'Reilly seems to have been first to aim direct slams at fellow talk jocks and also to begin an endless array of labels for everyone: "right-wing", "leftist", "ideologue", etc.

Must often be at a loss for something useful to say!

Posted by: Jim at January 17, 2005 10:40 PM

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